What Do You Believe?

posted by Festus Kril on September 1, 2024 - 11:36am
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A disinterested first-time visitor to your website
will quickly see from your statement at
unity08.com/believe#4 that you are *against*

a short list of pernicious contemporary realities
of public life. You are

*against* uncompromising political partisanship
*against* the federal deficit
*against* corrupt lobbying practices in Washington
*against* climate change
*against* dependence on foreign petroleum
*against* terrorism

And that little list of obvious present-day "bad things"
is all that you say you "believe."

The trouble is, what you list are not "beliefs." They
are only a little collection of big grievances, an
expression of mere disgruntlement without any of the
energizing, uniting power of true, *positive* political
beliefs or principles. Your manifesto as presently
written only grumbles and rails against present facts
without any redeeming hint as to what specifically you
would expect Unity candidates to do about what you
dislike.

Because there is no such positive declaration
anywhere in it, your manifesto is devoid also of
effective power to *unite* those who read it.
Everyone--Democrat, Republican, or Independent--

deplores uncompromising political partisanship
(except uncompromising partisans)
deplores deficit spending
(except those who profit from it)
deplores corrupt lobbying practices in Washington
(except the special interests they serve)
deplores climate change
(except those who release excessive carbon dioxide)
deplores dependence on foreign petroleum
(except vendors and traders of foreign petroleum)
deplores terrorism
(except terrorists)

None of this *unites* you with anyone, it merely
makes you *indistiguishable* from others, because
you offer no more positive idea than anyone else
does of what specifically you expect or propose
should actively be done about what you decry.
Mere Indistinction is not Unity.

If your intended movement toward Unity is to end
in anything better than a quiet fizzle, surely
you must devise a more positive message, saying
forthrightly what particular good endeavors you
expect your eventual nominees to be qualified for,
and committed to accomplishing.

Otherwise, what's the point? Why pay attention,
time, or money to your mere disgruntlements if
you have no collectively shared notion what
concretely needs to be done besides just vaguely
electing "somebody else?" Who of intelligent mind
will suppose that alone might somehow be enough?

Perhaps in fact you are not really sufficiently
united amongst yourselves to constitute an
effective Unity movement.

Or perhaps you fear that the requisite specificity
regarding policies, while attracting some, might
alienate others. But as you very well know,
that is the inherent and inescapable nature of
efficacious political purpose.

If, as you say, you want actually to unite millions
in adherence to your Unity movement, you need
forthrightly and courageously to articulate and
advocate precisely what you believe such millions
positively want, and let the consequences of your
express suppositions about that be what they may.

You cannot merely put all such consideration off
onto some completely unforeseeable candidates'
shoulders with any reasonable expectation of
electing such candidates, or of their being
actually beneficial if elected. To do so merely
toys with a modality of political purpose,
completely ignoring its content.

It may not matter whether you get a bank loan
online or in a physical bank building; either,
way, there has to be a loan officer, and funds
to lend.

It may not matter whether you hold an auction
online or in a physical auction shed; either
way, there has to be an auctioneer, and something
for sale.

It may not matter whether you fill a medical
prescription online or at a physical pharmacy;
either way, there has to be a pharmacist, and
a stock of pharmaceuticals.

It may not matter whether you hold a political
party convention online or in a physical
convention hall; either way, there has to be
a political party, and a campaign platform.

Where and what is the Unity Party? Where and what
is its platform?

As potentially just one of your millions of
voters, I have rather exact ideas of what
I want done politically, and I am not so
vain as to suppose there are not many millions
more like me in the exactitude of their wishes,
if not the specific content of what they wish.

My problem is not to know what I want, only
to find some larger movement that expressly
commits itself to at least some major part
of what I want. Are you that movement?

Here are some elements of my insignificant
little personal list, in no particular order:

1. good border security
2. effective immigration control
3. health care reform
4. federal budget balancing
5. trade balancing
6. serious national energy policy
7. politically unshackled scientific research support
8. Alternative Minimum Tax correction
9. poverty reduction (including minimum wage correction)

The question is: which of those items, if any, do
YOU want too, and how do you think your movement might
actually achieve them?

If you cannot answer now, when can you?

Comments     Date sort icon
Bill713 on September 5, 2024 - 6:30am

Yes, timeline is important. I think we need media working our questions before July 07.

This seem to me to be one of the more important steps defined so far and should get a blog feature presentation very soon.

Bill"for what we are together"

Mark Greene on September 4, 2024 - 9:07pm

Doug, it is good to finally hear from you on this issue. And as a partisan I agree that it is high time that Party platforms were required to mean something to both the candidates and the voters as a whole.

Is it your intention to have us agree on the questions - a job application if you will - and then post this as a reference to the electorate at large? Or, are we going to attempt to agree on a general response we accept to each question and then throw our support behind the ticket most aligned with us? I see value in both approaches, but think ultimately it must be one or the other.

Also, do you have a timeline in mind? Will this roll out early enough to have some influence on the candidates going into the major primaries, or are we going to spring it after the fact as a guidesheet on why this or that candidate/ticket is more or less desireable?

Thanks for speaking up.

Mark Greene
Texas Democrat in the Middle

Doug Bailey on September 4, 2024 - 8:51pm

In this space, on the college site, among the Founder's Council and everywhere Unity08 supporters have gathered (physically or virtually) no question has come up more often: How can you be a movement or a party without a platform?

After a lot of consideration and back-and-forth, our response is this: One of the shortcomings of the two parties is that they have platforms but the candidates don't. Or at least the candidates feel free to ignore both their own partys' platfoms when they want and crucial issues when they want as well. So our goal is different -- to debate all rational sides of the crucial issues online and then settle on an American Agenda of 40 questions on the crucial issues that every presidential candidate (for Unity08 and for the Republicans and Democrats as well) should be expected to answer fully and candidly.

So this website will hold in-depth moderated online debates among the people -- experts and non-experts alike -- come up with the crucial questions on the crucial issues and help the media put them to all the candidates. Those who choose ignore them do so at their peril. We are working to enable the website to provide Unity08 candidates the opportunity to provide direct-to-camera video-on-demand on each of those 40 crucial questions on the American Agenda.

That will produce candidates with an understandable platform, from which you can pick the next president.

Bill713 on September 2, 2024 - 8:40pm

My hope is that U08Mod1 means that the method to facilitate focusing issues to an affirmative message is the anticipated development.

The type and purpose of voting on postings has value only in relation to the number of people voting. Right now that would be a small number easyly sabotaged by an organized internet attack and statistical irrelavent compared to the voting block size it takes to make U08 a reality down the road.
When we can count poles in 100000+ range instead of the 10000- range, we will have a meaningful measure.
Note the vote count on previous poles. Next we need to see if college campus engagement will slingshot us into the higher pole bracket.

Bill"for what we are together"

TromboneErik on September 2, 2024 - 5:17pm

[See posting below - 2nd from bottom]
Valid questions - answers coming soon *
U08Moderator1 on September 1, 2024 - 4:47pm

Ratings for comments
U08 Web Team on July 11, 2024 - 9:16pm
"Do the founders have any plans to alter/enhance this web site to allow anonymous voting on individual postings?"
Addressing this as it's more of a technical question than a mission question. A system to allow ratings for comments is likely in the near future.

Guidelines
U08 Web Team on July 11, 2024 - 6:50pm
There are guidelines for usage of the rating system posted on the Shoutbox home page.
There's also a high probability that you'll be able to rate individual comments in the near future. We'll keep you posted.

Timeline for rating comments
TromboneErik on July 24, 2024 - 11:28pm
Dear Web Team,
When will voting on individual comments will be activated? It has been a mere two weeks since your response, but this site is in desperate need of focus and context.
Where should we look for you to "keep us posted"? This thread?
Thanks in advance.

***
We're coming up on two months since "A system to allow ratings for comments is likely in the near future."

This is a LIFETIME in internet politics. This "movement-in-progress" is a glimmer of light in a dark, stark landscape of voter apathy, but you will only create cynicism unless you can LEAD and DELIVER.

Dennis on September 2, 2024 - 10:22am

One other thing I would like to add, in Unity 08's defense. I believe it is possible that the reason why a list of what they stand for has not be created is because they are relying on the candidates that will be placed on the Unity 08 ticket to come up with that.

Unity 08 can't very well come up with a list of beliefs beforehand because that would strictly narrow the list of possible candidates that could be added to the Unity 08 ticket in the future. They must keep their options open.

Of course, this means that perhaps the list of what Unity 08 is against should be removed until further notice, with the focus solely on Unity 08's ultimate agenda of creating unity within the political world.

http://IndependentMind.s10.forumsplace.com

Dennis on September 2, 2024 - 10:12am

I agree with the original post. Positive politics is more of what we need and focusing on what is stood for instead of what is stood against is the path to that method.

I would also add that if serious consideration of what I have brought up in the "Why focus on President/V.President" thread ever occured, that could also be a path toward discovering what is believed in by the Unity 08 candidates.

It could be a list of solutions stemming from each major party's signature issue, (Greens: environment, Republicans: security, Constitutionalists: following policy, etc) creating real unity, with the Dems and Repubs (Pres and V.Pres) at the head of the table and leading the way.

http://IndependentMind.s10.forumsplace.com

U08Moderator1 on September 1, 2024 - 4:47pm

A quick note to let you know that your posting has been forwarded to a member of the U08 Founders Council and a reply will be posted soon.

Bill713 on September 1, 2024 - 3:59pm

No apparent facilitator is available to focus these issues to a clear and affirmative mesage and no apparent appreciation of how important that is. So I find your assessment correct except that some ideas are buried in the forum discussions that are worthwhile. They simple are not adequately distinguished and put on a path to focus a position.

Only about a dozen forum contributors have stayed with it and continue to push for more "form" and "function" to this movement.

The mediators should certainly consider assigning a faciltator to the major topics for that purpose and engage some instant poling on entries to eliminate the meaningless or at least move them to a new entertainment section.

Bill"for what we are together"

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